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【主講人】說話人1
大家午安。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Good afternoon.

【主講人】說話人1
今天一天就要過去了啊。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Time really flies doesn’t it It’s already the end of the retreat

【主講人】說話人1
各位知道不知道今天來參加的是禪修活動？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
is everyone clear that the event we are joining today is about Chan or meditation?

【主講人】說話人1
為甚麼打坐的時間這麼少？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
if it’s really a meditation retreat, why is it that there is only very short, limited amount of time on doing sitting practice?

【主講人】說話人1
你們會不會覺得很失望？ 來這裡呢， 也沒打坐到足夠的時間，讓你坐到很滿意、很舒服。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
As anyone, if only just a tiny we bits, feeling disappointed that we didn’t get more time on practicing the sitting Chan.

【主講人】說話人1
在這裡我要跟大家澄清啊，禪修不等於打坐。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK here I need to make a clear point I need to make it clear about the fact that meditation is not equivalent to sitting meditation 當然，打坐

【主講人】說話人1
有助於禪修，它是一種形式。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Of course, the sitting practice is one common form of Chan.

【主講人】說話人1
在打坐的時候，我們很容易安定下來。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
When we’re doing the sitting practice it makes it easier for us to settle down 當我們安定了之後啊。

【主講人】說話人1
Is比較容易用上禪的方法。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
once we have settled down our minds it becomes easier to apply The concepts and the essence of Chan

【主講人】說話人1
打坐是一個助緣啊。 是讓我們進入到安定的狀態。 是一個方式， 並不等於禪修。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
yeah as I mentioned the sitting practice itself is only a beneficial assistance way to help yourself settle down But it is not the equivalent of charm itself

【主講人】說話人1
那各位知道，禪修主要是要訓練我們甚麼樣的能力呢？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
does anyone know that what we’re trying to get out of practicing Chan?

【主講人】說話人1
今天大家在這裡待了一整天的時間，我們在培養你覺照力、覺察力。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
throughout the whole session today, having done many different kinds of practice, the main purpose of all of that All comes down to cultivating awareness.

【主講人】說話人1
不管你學的是哪一種的禪法，都需要覺照力。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Regardless of which school or which theory of meditation that you learn. We all need mething called the awareness.

【主講人】說話人1
那甚麼叫覺察力呢？ 覺， 所謂的覺醒、喚醒、清醒。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
then again, what is awareness? OK, awareness means that we are clearly awakening, as as becoming. Enlighten.

【主講人】說話人1
照就是清楚，清清楚楚、明明白白。

【翻譯/助教】說話人3
the second character of the Chinese term for awareness also has the meaning of being clearly, being clear and conscious about things.

【主講人】說話人1
今天一整天下來，我們就要訓練各位能。 在一個很親民的狀態之下。 看著，覺察的，這一切這一切的過程，這就是我們要培養的能力。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
throughout all the practice items that we have done today, the entire purpose of all of that process is to Allow everyone to cultivate and develop the ability of being aware, clearly, and consciously about everything.

【主講人】說話人1
今天早上啊先教各位如何打坐， 希望大家能把身心安定下來。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Ok, in the first session today, remember how we got it through the sitting practice in the morning? the purpose of that was touh, Guide everyone into knowing how to learn, to settle down our minds.

【主講人】說話人1
接著我們呢，讓各位呢以動態的、動中禪，以站立的方式，帶有動作的來練習這個覺察力。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
And following that, we also adopted the moving meditation. through these movements, we were also trying to Allow everyone to develop the ability of awareness through each single movement, and the moving Chan.

【主講人】說話人1
當我們在吃飯的時候、在出坡的時候、甚至在 中午在這裡休息睡覺的時候，我們給各位的引導都是讓各位保持的一個清明的覺照力。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
As as that, also, after, later on, when we were practicing the eating Chan, the working Chan, as as the sleeping Chan. All of these items, in their different forms, we are all trying to make everyone develop such conscious. Ability, and staying aware and clear.

【主講人】說話人1
下午我們又做了一支香，同樣的，是這個目的。 剛才我們進行了纏繞畫，也是在培養各位的這個覺察力。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
wise, and the afternoon, we also adopted the second part of the sitting practice session, as as the drawing session. All of which are designed for the purpose of helping everyone to develop the ability of being aware.

【主講人】說話人1
當然這種覺察力也有深淺之分。 像各位大部分都是初學者， 我們把這個覺照力呢往前推啊，就叫做覺察。 覺知，到專注，到清楚。 我們提醒各位是要清楚的。 覺知著， 慢慢才過渡到所謂的覺照， 那今天的層次呢，是在剛開始的這個呃清楚的專注上面。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, even the ability of staying aware can be divided up into different levels. since I believe that most of us here today are beginners of meditation or chant, we have simplified the steps, in a way that we have used me more Commonly easily understood terms. such as being clear, or being conscious, or staying focused, or concentrated, in order to allow everyone To take things more easily, and pick them up more easily in the practice sessions.

【主講人】說話人1
你要能專注。 必須要放鬆，才有辦法進入到更深的覺察、覺照。 我們一直在提醒各位放鬆。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
in order to reach a deeper level of awareness, it takes more relaxation as the preliminary stages. Hence, thi- this is the reason that through all the items today, we have been emphasizing the idea of being relaxed.

【主講人】說話人1
清除、放鬆， 我們一般普通人來講是可以做得到的，在我們生活當中都可以呢達成的。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
keeping ourselves relaxed, or the idea of being clear about knowing what’s going on, are very simple concepts that can be easily applied and achieved. For us ordinary people, in our daily routines.

【主講人】說話人1
我看到各位今天都很放鬆，心情都很輕鬆。 不曉得各位是不是是這種狀態？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, just from what I personally observed, that throughout the whole retreat today, most of you seem to be quite relaxed and being in a good mood. During most of this sessions today, in my right.

【主講人】說話人1
當我們能保持著放鬆的狀態去專注的時候，才可以深入到所謂的覺照。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
as I previously mentioned, we can only achieve the profound and deep level of awareness. If only only when we’re in a state of being relaxed 今天一天的練習下來。

【主講人】說話人1
大家的清楚跟放鬆的狀態呢，一直是維繫的，這是一個很好的基礎。 希望大家今天一天的學習練習，在這個基礎之上呢，日後呢可以再逐步的再精進。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, yeah, from what I see today, everyone seemed to be able to keep themselves in a very clear s- and relax state. you may use that as a foundation for further progress and improvement of the application for for your daily routines.

【主講人】說話人1
禪修其實是可以這麼輕鬆，是不離開我們生活的點點滴滴，吃飯、睡覺、吃喝拉撒睡。 整個過程都是我們練習禪修的過程跟機遇。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
the application and practice of Chan can be utilized and harmonized with every part of our daily routine.

【主講人】說話人1
我在這裡勉勵各位，保持今天的這樣子的一種清楚跟放鬆，帶回到你的生活當中，仍然維持的這種狀態， 禪修。 不一定是一定要強迫自己打坐，坐的多好，坐的多穩。 坐的如如不動，像個石頭一樣，像這個佛像一樣，動都不動， 就不是了，而是活生生的在生活當中。 請各位呢，一定要把這個狀態延伸到我們生活當中。 禪修對我們的生活， 我們的生命才會有意義。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, I do personally encourage everyone that we can apply and utilize everything that we learn today. and through our daily routine, because chanting is indeed every bit of our daily lives. It does not necessary mean that you have to always find a regular time and spot to do Sitting practice in a certain stable posture, that is only one form of pra- of the practice of Chan, and alsouh, our life. you may use all kinds of forms or practicing methods, or just purely anything that you’re doing in your life. A part of your practice of Chan.

【主講人】說話人1
最後， 我們把時間呢交給各位啊，各位今天一天學習練習下來。 有沒有甚麼問題啊？ 或者是說你有甚麼心得啊？ 想跟大家分享的哈？ 現在都可以提出來。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Ok for the rest of the time I will be handing the microphone to you Whether there are any thoughts, concerns or questions that you would to ask before we end today’s retreat.

【參與者】說話人4
法師您好， 我的問題想請教的就是在纏繞畫的過程。 請問要怎麼在注意力在紙上，就注意力在外面的時候，同時保持對自己內在身體狀態的一個覺察，因為會感覺其他的其他的坐禪、站禪都比較還可以在自己的內在的覺察里。 可是到畫畫的時候，可能因為畫得很投入， 不自覺的注意力就一直在紙上， 回過神的時候身體就變得很僵硬了。 因為今天我剛好那個腰拉傷， 我的痛苦特別的劇烈， 就想要問一下，謝謝。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, I would to ask, I have an inquiry about the art Chan, and the last part of the afternoon. I seem to realize that, when I’m in the moment of drawing, I Tend to be more distracted easily, especially in that environment where my attention will be easily attracted by external factors outside. Instead of keeping that into my inner mind, and staying aware throughout the whole session. as comparison to other practices such as a sitting or standing meditation, those seem to be more easier, and keeping my s- mind settled and focused. Yeah, but for the other ones, for the art Chan. I can’t seem to do that that easily.

【主講人】說話人1
很好，你這個問題哈。 我們禪修是一種練心啊練心的一種方法。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
That’s a very good question. as part of the charm method, the main purpose is to train our mind.

【主講人】說話人1
練心必須借境練心。 境是境界的境、環境的境，借境練心。

【翻譯/助教】說話人3
In order to train our mind, we also need to have a good environment with space.

【主講人】說話人1
也就是說，我們必須在心外找到一個對象。 讓我們的心鎖定在這個對象，讓我們的心不會散亂。 這首先要完成的一種收攝的作用， 必須借這個對象。讓心呢，能安住下來。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
that means we need to find ourselves. mething that we can place our attention on, because that exact thing is what we need in order to focus on the practice itself. Eventually, making our minds stay settled for a longer period.

【主講人】說話人1
禪修有很多很多的方法， 像譬如說今天有跟各位提到 把你的注意力放在我們的呼吸當中，那叫做觀音。 觀習法或者是數習法。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
in Chan, there are many ways to practice. Just for example, the keeping re-, yourself relaxed or staying clear aboutuh, Your fee-, current feelings, yeah, and as as other ways such as contemplation, and also. Counting your breath.

【主講人】說話人1
在我們禪宗還有所謂的參話頭這個方法。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
In the Chan school, there is also a method of practice called the Huatou, Chan Huatou.

【主講人】說話人1
在南傳有所謂的觀四念住，身、受、心、法的這種觀法。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
And Theravada Buddhism, there is also a concept and a series of teaching c- called in Chinese, guan- guan si nian chu.

【主講人】說話人1
In Tibetan Buddhism, there is also mething called. The practice of chanting mantras 那這些種種的方法，都是讓我們的心鎖定在那個方法上面。目的就是攝心、收心。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
all of these methods are designed in order to help practitioners to settle our minds and stay focused.

【主講人】說話人1
今天下午我們在畫這個纏繞纏繞畫啊， 借由這個紙跟筆，還有我們所畫出的那個圖騰，讓我們的心安住在這個當下，讓我們的心不會偏離在這個畫作上面。 這是很重要，禪修的一個起點，安住在當下。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
In the entanglement during art session, in the afternoon, what we’re trying to do is to make everyone, through The action of drawing focus your mind, and also settling your mind on what you’re doing at that present moment, not being distracted. But fully aware on what you’re doing.

【主講人】說話人1
在用方法鎖定那個對象的過程當中，我們的心呢沒有妄想雜念，我們的心呢都安住在這整個過程當中。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
by focusing our mind on a specific target, I, for example, the pictures we’re drawing, we’re trying to avoid ourselves from Letting our mind wander off and scattered.

【主講人】說話人1
而不是在那個目的，我們最終我們要把它完成一個甚麼樣的畫作，或者是說有一個甚麼很 很新，很這個亮眼的一個成就，不是那個目的， 不是禪修要得到的目的。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
The ultimate purpose is not to try to achieve a certain result or objective 而是在過程。

【主講人】說話人1
過程當中如何把心給系住， 禪修，就已經完成了我們內心的修煉。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
But instead, what we’re trying to do is to place our attention and focus on the process of the practice itself. Settling our mind at all times during the entire process, and also on the details of each moment.

【主講人】說話人1
今天大家完成了這個纏繞畫之後，我們的肖老師請大家把每一個人的作品呢全部鋪鋪陳開來，有特別提醒各位，不需要去分別，去比較， 不要去論斷， 我們就是欣賞而已。 像是一個第三者，不管是看自己的作品，還是別人的作品， 看著他，這就叫做禪觀。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Ok, remember how at the end of the drawing session, the teacher made us, write their names on their productions at the end of the session. And then later on, telling everyone to go around and looking at other people’s artworks without any. Thoughts of discrimination or comparison, this indeed is objective of the practice of Chan in the drawing session. We are trying to Observe and be aware of the things we see without having any thoughts of discrimination. This itself is called The view, or the perception of China.

【主講人】說話人1
在那個過程當中，我們是專注的，是沒有妄想雜念的。 你在這個 過程，同時你也覺察到你身身體的不適，不舒服的那種感覺。 覺察力，你同時都可以關照的到。 可是你仍然把這件事情完成了，並不因為你的身體不適而終止、阻斷了你當下做的事情。 你都能清清楚楚看到， 能完成當下的事情，這就是修行。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Ok, through the different practices that we had today, there might be times that you felt me discomfort on the body, or distractions on the mind. However, you can still manage to shift your focus back. And to your practice, and staying aware, and continue to contemplate, and still being able to finish the entire session, that itself is applying Chan. To our daily lives no matter what we face we will not try to escape from the difficulties or challenges or theuh misfortunes on life that itself is also part of chum 禪修不是要把我們訓練到不痛不癢。

【主講人】說話人1
不苦不痛。 於那種絕獸呢，阻斷掉，不是的。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
through practicing charm, the main idea is not that we’re trying to get rid of, or re- adicate all the misfortunes, or The laments that we may face in our daily routine, that is not the objective of chanting.

【主講人】說話人1
而是訓練我們。 不受到影響。 不管自己的身心的狀況，還是環境的變化，我們都能專注的去完成該做的事情，不受到影響。 那對於這種種的覺知是清楚的，可是呢，仍然可以呢完成當下的事情，這才是真修行。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
But rather, we’re, what we’re trying to do is try to still stay unaffected. Even under the impact of these external factors in our surrounding environments, we should always be able to stay aware. Know the feelings and worries that arises in our minds, and the pains that arises upon our physical bodies, but still, know them, but stay unaffected. And continue to complete everything that we’re doing.

【主講人】說話人1
有回答你的，到你的問題嗎？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Does that answer your question?

【參與者】說話人4
我可以再繼續問嗎？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Can I ask you another question a further question 啊，行。

【參與者】說話人4
我有感知到自己身體在作畫的時候的不舒服， 我覺得比較困難， 我來說比較困難的是如果說那個覺察的注意力像是一道光束的話。 光束在我作畫的時候，它是打在紙上， 我很專心在紙上。 可是這個時候，我就沒有辦法把那個注意力開到我自己身上。 在我的注意力沒辦法分到我自己身上的時候，我的身體就變得很緊繃，沒有辦法放鬆。 我想要瞭解是怎麼樣可以在那個動作的情況下，仍然能夠保持放鬆？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Yes, it has come to me that me, when I’m engaging myself in the certain practice, there were me times that I felt me discom- comfort. And also, if I had to describe my awareness and focus, it’s a penetrating light that is showing on. The piece of paper that when I was drawing in. I’m just curious that if my focus is. Shifted away from that exact light, then I would start to feel that my body is becoming more stiff. how exactly? Do I avoid this issue?

【主講人】說話人1
你不能放鬆哈，是因為呢，你把注意力放到你身體的疼痛上面、不舒服上面。 你是相反的，你以為是因為做這件事情沒辦法讓你注意，其實你是在注意你的身體的不舒服或疼痛，才讓你不放鬆。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, you, you, yeah, you find, you may be finding that difficult, because that you’re putting your focus and attention on the wrong part. Yeah, you’re you seem to be focusing your attention on the part that you are feeling stuff on your body.

【主講人】說話人1
在面對我們當前的 不適啊，不舒服，或者是挫折，或者是痛苦。 最好呢， 用上禪的方法。 也就是轉移掉你對於那個痛點。 借由禪的方法移轉你的注意力，你是沒有移轉， 才會不舒服。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
how we can go about this is by acknowledging the cause of the pain first, of course, but then again. Through the means of Chan, we can try to shift the pain into another form, or another place.

【主講人】說話人1
如果更深一層去探究的話，那種不舒服或者是疼痛，它只是一種感覺。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
if we take this further down, that you’ll realize that the feeling of pain is just a feeling.

【主講人】說話人1
這種感覺，是被這個我 我們認定的這個我，所把它認定， 肯定創造出來的。 感覺是因為我造成的。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
such feeling of pain is a manifestation or creation of. The sense of me. We’re the ones who created this feeling, we’re the ones defining this feeling.

【主講人】說話人1
我們禪修 最終最終的目的就是要把這個我消融掉。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
the objective of practicing Chan, in the ultimate sense, is to remove this sense of self. That lies within us. Another words, we’re trying to reach the state of no self.

【主講人】說話人1
我認為這種感覺是痛，我不要這種感覺， 這個我一直在抗拒這種感覺。 就增強了你這一份覺受， 我們所謂的惡性循環，越陷越深， 痛苦是被我所加成創造出來的， 於那個現象去去去加深的。 是一個 根源，我。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Ok, furthermore, it is exactly this sense of self that lies within us. Creates and intensifies the feeling of pain. It is all a phenomenon caused by ourselves, the sense of self.

【主講人】說話人1
當你用禪修的方法能練到這個我越來越淡泊，甚至消融之後， 感覺，痛的感覺也消失了，也沒有了。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
as you reach a certain level where you can adicate or weaken this sense of self. Then you will on realize that the original feeling of such pain. Will start to gradually decrease bit by bit.

【主講人】說話人1
當然你也不要誤會，我們禪修就是練到好像甚麼神力， 把我變不見了，把我的痛苦變沒了，把我的挫折、壓力，所有一切變 變光了，也不是這個樣子。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
But then again, please do not misconceive this idea in a way that, if I practice Chan, could it be that one day I can develop me s- supernatural power? And that I can use that to get rid of all these causes of pain in my surroundings.

【主講人】說話人1
而是禪修可以讓我們體證到，這一切都是因緣和合，它是暫時存在的一個所謂的假象。 可是我們把這個暫時存在的現象當真，牢牢地抓住這個短暫的現象，牢牢地抓住不放，那它就形成一種惡性循環。再加深這種角色。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
through Chan, we are, as we practice Chan, we will gradually start to realize that all of these Phenomenon, including the pain and suffering that we feel. Are all just a result of countless conditions in their surrounding environment. then again, through Chan, we will learn how to use the wisdom of that, in order to break this s- sense of self. In a way that we no longer will keep further. Try to hold on to these fake phenomenon tightly, which would eventually cause further pain to ourselves in an unnecessary way.

【主講人】說話人1
我們的念頭，我們的感覺，它其實就像天上的那個雲一樣，它是來來去去，它會消散的。 那就看我們怎麼看待它，我們認為它不善，它就永遠停在那裡。 我們認為它是來來去去，不會永遠在這裡，它就會消散。所有的一切。 萬法，一切都是因緣和合，它都是都是一個現象。 那我們修行就是讓我們不被這個現象所蒙騙，而陷入在那個現現象當中，使這個我呢糾結在那個漩渦當中。 這是禪學要把我們帶出來的。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, again, through these charm practices, we will practice to think in a way that all of these things are just Temporary feelings and phenomena, just the clouds in the sky, how they come and go. they will one day disappear oner or longer. yeah, once we start to perceive everything causing our pain in this way, we will start to not be affected much by all the Misfortune or unhappy things and vexations that comes to us. we will not continue to always. Keep ourselves stuck in such a vicious cycle.

【主講人】說話人1
當然，我這樣子解釋到姻緣，講到無我， 這些呢呃可能會 你會覺得就是好像很遙遠、很玄啊。 那沒有關係，我們知道啊這個理論，那 只要我們能持續的用上禪修的方法啊，你逐漸就可以呢體驗相應的道的。 他就不是很玄，或者神秘的甚麼東西，他就這麼自然啊。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Of course, after listening to many special terms, such as sense of self, or selflessness, or causes and conditions. You might start to think, this is beyond me, it’s uncompendable. But it’s one day, as long as we have come to the point that we are able to apply. The essence, the essence of Chan to s- co- common conditions that we face, then we will s- begin to realize that Sean is not mething un-, unimaginable or un-, comprehensible. It is deeply connected to our daily lives.

【主講人】說話人1
還有沒有其他的問題？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
歡迎提出來。Do we have any other questions

【參與者】說話人5
i- i- if we practice sitting meditation every day for 10 years, I’m a beginner right now. But if I do it every day for 10 years, what do you think is the main difference I will see in 10 years?

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
老師請問，如果我現在就是通過打坐來進行禪修的練習。 那身為一個初學者，我就一直這樣子練習，每天練，練到10年之後，那呃請問您會覺得呃，到時候的我會跟現在的我有甚麼樣的差別嗎？

【主講人】說話人1
只要你用對了方法， 持續的不間斷的話，絕對會有差別的。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Ok as long as you stick to your daily practice routines without taking any breaks then I can assure you that they would There is definitely going to be a big difference 差別就像呃現在你會 cooking

【主講人】說話人1
你給可以呢， 很快的燒出一幾道好菜， 讓大家呢都覺得很可口，那是因為你經過很長的時間不斷的練習。 熟練了之後，你燒出一手好菜， 覺得很自然的事情。 他他就是這麼的有效率。 禪修也是一樣，需要熟練。 熟能生巧，他當你熟悉了之後，自然會產生它的效用，這樣嗎？ 那你沒熟悉的時候，那你就會覺得，誒，怎麼可能呢？ 怎麼會呢？ 那還是必須堅持的走過去，不斷呃練習這樣的，不斷的去熟悉它。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, take your cooking skills for example. Through Chan, if you continue to apply the correct methods. Then your skills will continue to enhance, as you build up your method along the way. Because. It does not matter what we do in our daily lives, as long as you can. Do that more in the correct method, then one day you will start to realize that, I’m doing the same thing, but it’s becoming more, I’m doing it more efficiently, because I’m more familiar with that. this is the same as charm practice. The more familiar you are, then the better. The results that you will get.

【主講人】說話人1
禪修啊，我剛才說了，大家今天學習了，體驗到之後，一定要把它帶回去，繼續用下去。 你如果每一次都是蜻蜓點水的這麼感覺一下感覺一下的話。 沒有變成你的生活的一部分，沒有變成你的生活的習慣的話，那禪修對你就產生不了作用。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, this is what I previously kept emphasizing and reminding everyone, the point that, the the chant that we learn today, all the different forms of chant practice should be mething that we should all bring home. And utilize and apply to everything we do in our lives. If you’re only doing it for fun, or for a casual, occasional experience. Then of course, it’s not really gonna get you anywhere. But rather, if you make that as part of your daily routine, or harmonizing it. And to whatever that you’re doing in your lives, then that would ultimately, eventually make a very significant difference.

【主講人】說話人1
還有沒有哪一位？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Do we have any further questions, anyone?

【主講人】說話人1
沒有啊，

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Your questions may benefit those of others, feel free to bring up anything. Related to Chan.

【參與者】說話人6
我想分享，那老師也可以給我一些回饋。 今天在畫那個纏繞畫的時候， 引導師就是說不需要畫直， 我就突然意識到說，我每一筆都帶著一個意念， 我畫直，我畫線要畫直，我畫圓要畫圓。 在那個當下，我就感覺到說，其實這個收攝它就是把線畫直，它也是幫助我很深入的在那個當下，就也有點像是呃單點的收攝覺察，把心放在甚麼這樣。 我就突然在想說那個不要畫直的那個那個那個那個狀態是甚麼？ 我們今天小組討論的時候。 有一位朋友就是說嗯，當我把意念放在某個地方，說我要放鬆的時候， 是不是也是一個我跟自己的講話？ 那另外一位師姐， 說她打坐的狀態呃現在進入到一種全部都不要抓，全部都放掉。 我就我就在感覺這個這個放的品質。 像好像他不是要把線畫直，也不是不要把，也不是線不用畫直， 你的心。 不落入任何一邊，你你好像就是呃就是就是去做， 沒有要或不要的一種。一種狀態。 我我就有點在感覺呃剛剛張靜問到說我怎麼樣，當我有這個東西抓住我的心的時候，我還是回到我的身體， 那種好像其實你就是成為不假思索的，甚麼都不抓的做。 沒有要畫紙，沒有要畫布紙的那種放， 就讓我在想說，那我們在打坐的這種，最後甚麼都不抓， 全部全部打開，全部成為，全部放的這種這種品質。

【主講人】說話人1
謝謝，來幫忙翻譯一下，謝謝你的分享。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, I would to do a little sharing, and I also welcome Jason to give me me feedback. when I was drawing in the drawing session. Yeah, metimes I try to draw straight lines, or metimes I try to draw curves. And there are me times that I try to avoid drawings in a certain way. during those moments, I start to realize that, if I intentionally try to draw mething, or if I intentionally try not to draw mething, then that would make me wonder, and also, this is mething related to what Zhangjing just asked previously. that if we are trying to draw anything, we’d do anything without a certain intention, and without grabbing any anything. Is is that try trying to 不好意思，你你最後的問題是甚麼？ 你你最後的那個問題，你沒有，只是分享嗎？

【參與者】說話人6
我是，我可能那個問題是在於那種狀態， 我跟

【主講人】說話人1
拿拿拿麥克風說。

【參與者】說話人6
我可能沒有真呃真的很能夠體驗，但是我有一個好奇是說這個我與畫已經無二。 的一種狀態，的這種沒有任何抓取，沒有我跟畫紙的這個放，的一種品質是甚麼？

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
This is this should be my one of my好奇 OK I I don’t really have a question but I’m just curious about what exactly is the state of being Harmonized without a certain sense of separation between myself and the artwork that I’m drawing What exactly is the quality or essence of this such state?

【主講人】說話人1
謝謝你的分享哈。 我在 follow 你的這個剛才的描述哈。 我們的修行就是要讓我們的心量啊越來越開放。 Open， 跟這整個環境融合，這環境就包括所有的這一切。 當我們心量不斷不斷地擴大擴大，融合之後，相對， 我就消融了。 我們之所以會有種種的分別啊、判斷呢，那是一個我在裡面。 那修行就是讓這個我不介入進來，而開放出來，跟這整體的一切合二為一。 成為一體啊， 你剛剛所提到的不二。 那這個是我們每一個人都有的一種。 叫做覺性，都有這樣的一種一種啊啊本能， 我們禪修要去開發的這種本能，當這種本能顯露出來之後，我們就沒有障礙了。 當沒有障礙之後呢，就叫做融合，就叫做一體，就叫做不二。 我再給他補充說，從禪法上面來解釋的話。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
through chant, as we keep practicing and continue to broaden up our minds, and integrating. Yourselves with the environment. Once we get to that state, we start to harmonize with the environment itself, becoming the one without any separations. In other words, this is also the selflessness that I was emphasizing on previously. once we reach the state of selflessness, we would eventually no longer tend to s- continue to have discrimination. Separating things from ourselves, and themselves. third charm, the purpose is also to get rid of such selfless, this s- sense of self. Also, the dualism, which means we separate two things, we start to differentiate and discriminate between different things. The purpose of practicing Chan is also to cultivate and develop this natural ability that lies within us.

【主講人】說話人1
hmm, Thank you for your sharing. do we have any other further questions, anybody? 時間也差不多了啊。 呃我最後呢在這裡再跟大家勉勵啊。 禪修呢呃是需要持續的去，一直維持的，進行的，你才會得到那個效用。 或者是說，受用到那種的效果， 是必須持續下去的。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
OK, thank you for your attentions. I guess we’re all al- also about time. finally, I would just to make a few remarks to encourage everyone today that try to apply and use all the methods we learn today in your lives. Keep that as a habit, as part of your daily routine, in order. For that to be beneficial for yourself.

【主講人】說話人1
就像今天陽光普照、風和日麗，這麼舒服， 它就是自然吶，它為甚麼會這樣子？ 這是因緣吶。 禪修就是讓我們去見到它的自然，它的真相。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
having said that, Chan is not mething mysterious, but it’s just a result of countless conditions. It’s a phenomenon, just the sun or the breeze outside.

【主講人】說話人1
我們沒有經過禪修訓練的人，大部分都被這個我所蔽障了啊，看不到他真實的那個自然，真實的現象。 都落入在我既有的經驗、知識或者是嘗試等等，來解釋眼前的事物。 是我們叫做呃假象、偏頗的。 禪修就是讓這個我破除了之後呢，直接由我們的這個心性、覺性呢，去感受、去直覺，就能見到那個真相。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
Yeah, oftentimes, we don’t really see the true nature of many things, because we’re all perceiving things in the surrounding environment. Based on our own limited framework, we’re all stuck and limited by the sense of self that we have. Everything we see, it’s just a phenomenon, it’s all fake and biased. through the practice of Chan. We can try to continue, and eventually break the sense of self, and keep our mind state clear. Eventually, seeing the true nature of all the different conditions and causes and our surroundings.

【主講人】說話人1
When we have Chan’s these methods when we go to face our real life the all these things 不管是壓力、情緒、挫折或痛苦，這所有的一切都不再困擾我們。 這就是所謂的解脫， 所謂的自由或自在。 禪修的方法是可以讓我們達到這種 禁地的，可是不代表把這些甚麼壓力呀、挫折情緒去除掉，而是說我們不受到影響。 不受到影響。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
once we start to be able to perceive the true nature, and the causes and effects of everything. And our surroundings, then we will ultimately reach a state of liberation, where we will no longer be overly attached. To all the things that impact us, to all the things that affect us, causing us pain and sufferings. the practice of charm can help ourselves to reach that level, but of course, it does not mean that we can use Chan as a form of supernatural ability to Get rid of or adicate the causes of stress themselves. but rather, we are just trying to adjust our own mindset, and taking ourselves to a high level where we can see the truth of this changing phenomenon.

【主講人】說話人1
我今天看到有好幾位老同學啊又回來參加我們的這個禪修活動，我相信你們一次一次來參加這樣的一個體驗呢，是會越來越深刻的，會越來越感受到自己的輕鬆與自在的。 就叫做修行， 進步了。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
today, I do see me returning students who have already participated in this retreat for several times. yeah, for those of you who, That I just mentioned. You may start to feel more insights, and more different perceptions on similar things. Or even that you might start to feel more liberated through more practice. this exactly is a sign of improvement. Of your part, of cultivation.

【主講人】說話人1
我在這裡最後呢，邀請各位啊，各位看到我們屏幕上面所秀出來的，我們在4月18號，在5月1617。 在7月14號。 我們有連續幾次的禪修活動，歡迎大家呢再回來學習、練習，再來體驗。 我相信你逐逐漸的會理解到那個我障礙了好多好多事情，讓我們呢不得自在，讓我們呢陷入在那個情緒當中。 邀請各位呢。 Welcome back, welcome back to join us again.

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
We are going to talk about the topic of today. We have all, we we have listed down me further events, and as as the dates. I do welcome everyone to return again to participate. the retreats, in order to find out more about the essence of charm practice, and how that can re- be related to our lives, in a way that can help us to understand more about the true nature.

【主講人】說話人1
and also the causes of our pain and how we resolve them You’re in報名參加這一次禪醫活動的時候，如果有填寫你的 lie 的這個 information 的話呢，我們會把你們加入在我們的這個呃學習的群組裡面。 你日後再有甚麼修行上的問題。 Welcome in the group to put it out and then we have the retreat information on the website and we have the daily schedule and the Dharma talk will be on video and you can watch it later as you may remember during the application process。

【翻譯/助教】說話人2
of this retreat, you have left your line ID. that we can add you to our discussion group online. feel free to ask any questions if you have, and hoping that we can have a Meaningful and productive discussion in the line chat. And thank you all for your part in.